[Editor’s Note: The following contains spoilers for Dune: Prophecy Season 1, Episode 4]

As we approach the climax of Max’s Dune: Prophecy Season 1, the tension and stakes are escalating significantly. Valya (Emily Watson) and Tula Harkonnen (Olivia Williams) are in a fierce battle to assert their dominance over the Sisterhood, while House Corrino finds itself precariously led by the insecure Emperor Javicco, portrayed by Mark Strong. In Episode 4, “Twice Born,” the narrative takes an intriguing twist as Javicco and Empress Natalya, acted by Jodhi May, begin to leverage the perilous powers bestowed upon them by their enigmatic visitor, Desmond Hart (Travis Fimmel).

In a revealing conversation with Collider’s Perri Nemiroff, Strong and May discuss how Dune: Prophecy has provided them with unique opportunities as actors, allowing them to delve deeply into their characters. They explore themes of Javicco’s deep-seated insecurities, the intricate power dynamics at play, and how Hart’s influence in the pivotal final scene will shape the future of House Corrino. For those interested, you can catch the full conversation in the video above or read the transcript below.

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PERRI NEMIROFF: What aspect of your roles in Dune: Prophecy excited you the most, and can you share an experience from the show that exceeded your creative expectations?

JODHI MAY: To put it simply, my excitement stemmed from being immersed in a universe I greatly admire, having seen both the David Lynch and Denis Villeneuve adaptations. This world represents the pinnacle of science fiction, rich in surrealism and character depth. The creative thrill for me lies in portraying a character that hasn’t been as thoroughly explored; it grants me the opportunity to approach her with a sense of a blank slate. Alison [Schapker] crafts genuinely bold female characters, which is refreshing, especially considering many of them are over 40—a demographic that deserves more representation in media.

MARK STRONG: The vastness and imaginative scope of the “Dune” universe provide an abundance of material to draw from. With numerous source materials and narratives, it’s a joy to play a character who has not been portrayed before, especially in a time when technology allows us to create a highly believable universe. The stunning exterior shots are remarkable, yet the medieval court interactions, filled with intrigue and manipulation, encapsulate the essence of human behavior—who can be trusted and who is vying for power. This combination of personal conflicts and grand vision makes the project truly engaging.

I want to delve into your character development, as both of you portray intricate individuals dealing with significant burdens. Was there a moment where you felt you truly understood your character?

STRONG: My pivotal moment came through my interactions with Travis [Fimmel’s] character. Playing an emperor typically suggests a figure of ultimate control—confident and capable. However, what’s captivating about Javicco is his portrayal filled with insecurities and paranoia. The realization occurs during my interactions with Travis when I understood that he gains a tool, a gladiator, an enforcer to solidify his authority. This newfound confidence reveals a darker side to him; he begins as a seemingly beleaguered figure, but the moment he acquires a means of power, his demeanor shifts dramatically.

MAY: The dynamic introduced by his character is fascinating for the court’s atmosphere. Initially, Empress Natalya appears subjugated, facing genuine frustration regarding her lack of agency. The evolution of her character throughout the series is remarkable, and I aimed to convey that journey subtly, avoiding clichéd expressions. I find myself cautious about revealing too much, as spoilers are a concern. [Laughs]

You’re completely safe discussing Episode 4!

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Building on your previous comments, I’d like to pose this question to both of you: How would Javicco currently define what House Corrino stands for, and how would Natalya articulate House Corrino’s status within the Imperium?

STRONG: For Javicco, House Corrino is in a prime position of power. They are the leading house, primarily due to their role in eliminating the thinking machines from the universe, thus securing their authority. However, he grapples with the lingering shadow of his formidable father, who was adept at leadership, leaving Javicco feeling insecure about his own capabilities. The house is under siege from rival factions, all vying for an advantage over him. Particularly in the inaugural episode, he is desperate for a marriage alliance that would provide him with the necessary military support to stabilize the spice production on Arrakis, which is currently in jeopardy. Hence, House Corrino is the Imperium, yet it is under significant threat.

MAY: As the episodes unfold, it becomes increasingly clear to Natalya that the sense of control is just eluding Javicco’s grasp, necessitating decisive action. Unfortunately, he is not a man of action, prompting her to find ways to exert her influence. With Desmond Hart’s arrival, she sees potential leverage to intervene. To Natalya, Javicco often appears more like a puppet, especially as he hesitates to take a firm stance on the thinking machines, which she perceives as the first sign of losing control over the Imperium.

STRONG: There’s a powerful moment early in Episode 1 when Pruwet’s thinking machine creates chaos among the gathered individuals, and Natalya boldly confronts him. In that scene, she looks to her husband for guidance, only to witness his complete abdication of responsibility. This moment starkly illustrates that he lacks her confidence and is ill-suited for leadership.

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As we dive into the climactic moments of Episode 4, let’s discuss the costumes. Can each of you highlight a specific detail from your attire during the High Council scene that reflects how you must elevate your presence among the council members?

STRONG: My costume features a distinctly militaristic design. Initially, we considered a more flowing robe to convey confidence. However, given the established tone of the “Dune” universe, the decision was made to adopt a formal, militaristic style—complete with knee-high boots, shoulder epaulets, and medals. This attire compels one to stand tall and project authority. It embodies both regal and martial attributes, enhancing the character’s presence.

MAY: The costumes are particularly fascinating due to their underlying symbolism. Natalya wears a chainmail-like garment during the engagement ceremony, which serves as both armor and a constraint. There’s a continuous visual dialogue within the costumes that powerfully communicates the themes of public persona and personal limitations in these scenes. I’m excited to see how this develops throughout the series without revealing too much.

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